Very cool.

Ok, so street and park riders are riding flat.  So flatlanders need to branch out also and ride some street and park.  Many benefits technique wise and also bridges the gap flatlanders have created by staying in their discipline.  I believe one of the reasons flatland isn't growing is because it alienates itself from other disciplines.  More crossover means more interest in flatland.

I hate riding street and park. So no.

Quote from: enter1 on October 06, 2013, 10:03:16 PM

Ok, so street and park riders are riding flat.  So flatlanders need to branch out also and ride some street and park.  Many benefits technique wise and also bridges the gap flatlanders have created by staying in their discipline.  I believe one of the reasons flatland isn't growing is because it alienates itself from other disciplines.  More crossover means more interest in flatland.

I hate riding street and park. So no.

Why do you hate street and park? 

Mark does as much technical stuff as flatlanders do, but 10' in the air and at 25 mph. Is it possible that bugs people a bit?  Personally, I think a skilled rider on a spined mini is one of the most exciting things to see in BMX.  You get relatively high airs, super tech lip tricks, trails style flow across the spine...I'm not sure why someone who's into flatland wouldn't like watching a good mini ramp rider.  I once saw Rob Nolli ride the mini at Stone Edge for a good 2 minutes and never repeated a single lip trick, and Dave Osato was so precise he could nail 270 to toothpicks consistently.  Think about the precision that would take for a minute...   

Mark does as much technical stuff as flatlanders do, but 10' in the air and at 25 mph. Is it possible that bugs people a bit?  Personally, I think a skilled rider on a spined mini is one of the most exciting things to see in BMX.  You get relatively high airs, super tech lip tricks, trails style flow across the spine...I'm not sure why someone who's into flatland wouldn't like watching a good mini ramp rider.  I once saw Rob Nolli ride the mini at Stone Edge for a good 2 minutes and never repeated a single lip trick, and Dave Osato was so precise he could nail 270 to toothpicks consistently.  Think about the precision that would take for a minute...   

Oh look, it's D, the flatlander hater. Practically everything you post outside the parts section is anti-flat. The only positive comments you make are in regards to vert and park riders.
 
 
 

Quote from: ride_flat43 on October 08, 2013, 12:48:20 AM

Quote from: D on October 07, 2013, 08:53:04 PM

Mark does as much technical stuff as flatlanders do, but 10' in the air and at 25 mph. Is it possible that bugs people a bit?  Personally, I think a skilled rider on a spined mini is one of the most exciting things to see in BMX.  You get relatively high airs, super tech lip tricks, trails style flow across the spine...I'm not sure why someone who's into flatland wouldn't like watching a good mini ramp rider.  I once saw Rob Nolli ride the mini at Stone Edge for a good 2 minutes and never repeated a single lip trick, and Dave Osato was so precise he could nail 270 to toothpicks consistently.  Think about the precision that would take for a minute...   

Oh look, it's D, the flatlander hater. Practically everything you post outside the parts section is anti-flat. The only positive comments you make are in regards to vert and park riders.
 
 
 

I wouldn't say that.  I don't think there's one thing I've said that's not true. When street riding was all about riding off of roofs, then yes, there wasn't a whole lot of skill and precision with that involved, more about bravery and pedaling speed.  But modern park riding is every bit as technical as flatland, and when people to claim otherwise just because ramp riders make all the money and get all the attention, it tends to make them look jealous.  Specializing and preferring one type of riding is fine, but I've never understood the undercurrent of "ramp and street has absolutely nothing to do with us." when it's obvious that it does.  Separating from the rest of BMX has been nothing but bad for flatland.   

The only comment you've made in regards to an edit recently is of a street rider doing intermediate level tricks. It's very telling that you'd comment on that and not on an edit that's pushing flat to new levels like Quentin Pelorsin's.
 
And look at your Nora thread message. Instead of giving props to the top flatlanders of the year you bring up a ramp rider.
 
A lot of what you say about flatlanders is based off of assumption. You say some flatlanders are mad at the world for flat being unpopular, how do you know they werent mad at the world before they ever began riding? You say some flatlanders are worse off after dedicating themselves to flat, how do you know where they'd be if they hadn't ridden flat? Maybe flat kept some people from going off the deep end on drugs.
 
You also blame flatlanders for flat being unpopular. What exactly are participants of other disciplines doing that flatlanders aren't?
 
Why do you blame flatlanders for flat being isolated from the other disciplines. You speak as if flatlanders boycotted ESPN and Texas Toast.
 
All TJ said is that he hates riding street and park. He didn't say he didnt enjoy spectating, didn't make any comparisons or said it took less practice or skill but you immediately went on the defensive. I can't speak for TJ but the reason I would never do that type of riding is the danger invloved.
 
I don't see why anyone would be jealous. Those park and vert guys earn every cent. I wouldn't risk life and limb for $10 million a year let alone $60k or whatever the average pro makes.
 
There was a study done on retired NFL players that showed a 3-fold increase of depression in players with a history of  3 or more concussions. Those who have suffered multiple concussions also developed dementia at a higher rate and a younger age compared with the general population. Some ramp-park riders have had as many as 100 concussions which is way beyond the number any NFL player has had.
 

By the way i do enjoy watching Webbie hit it hard


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