There is a rider in the Cleveland area that has 1. It accually looks very good , and looks tuff as nails! I am pretty confident in saying that all of us that ride there don't buy or use parts in any manner/medium that we all know will not hold up in the long run. (unless it is for a testing/prototype idea that has of lately been crossed over into flatland though-out the bmx industry) This frame was very well thought out, and it definately shows in the production models. If you are currently in the market for a new frame, this is just 1 frame that should not be over-looked by any meens.